handofdave
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Edited Oct 25, 2009, 18:15
Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 18:02
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In the discussion and debating of solving the problem of the BNP it's occurred to me that there already is a precedent in W. Germany. They've made any display or dissemination of Nazism a crime.
Seems like it'd solve a lot of problems in one blow.
Thoughts?
BTW, I'd respond on the other thread but it's getting a bit long... I've been misunderstood and charged with equating mainstream right wing-ism with fascism. I have NOT! What I said was, the mainstream right wing shelters a SUBSET of fascists within their fold. That the Republicans in the USA have some ethnic diversity (not much*) doesn't evaporate the fact that many Republicans are racists, and no small number of them would split off and become a defined fascist party IF THEY HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE UK's PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM. As our system buries all but the big two parties, every time, in national and state politics, the fascists figure their best chance lies in operating from within the larger, more powerful Republican fold.
As for Nation of Islam voting for Obama, I can't speak to that- they probably did. But I expect their reasons to do so, if they did, didn't have anything to do with political thought and everything to do with the chance to put the first black man in the White House, simple as that.
*You can't say that because there are black, or gay Republicans the Republican party doesn't also harbor fascist-leaning types. I can't figure out why gays would want to be included in a party that clearly seeks to suppress their civil rights, but people can often be contradictory and hard to figure out.
European political groups are more broken apart and clearly defined than American ones. Yes, there is a Green party and a Communist party and all the others here in the states, but they are so marginalized as to be virtually nonexistent, at least in terms of having any actual numbers in elected office.
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Jim Tones
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Edited Oct 25, 2009, 18:17
Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 18:12
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Doesn't look like that will happen at this point in time...... I just read that he may be back on Question Time and that the Beeb will show 'party political broadcasts' at the time of the next General Election.
sorry, but I lost the link
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Deepinder Cheema
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Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 19:36
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Pipsqueek heir to Adolf Hitler. My ex Lord Bishop George 'Careybear' Carey came out with this, heard on the news earlier.
There is an Alf Garnett* constituency out there to cause the spike in recent yougov polls.
*Johnny Speight or WM said that the popularity of the character reflected the lack of irony in some of the audience.
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Jim Tones
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Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 19:50
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Deepinder Cheema wrote: Pipsqueek heir to Adolf Hitler. My ex Lord Bishop George 'Careybear' Carey came out with this, heard on the news earlier.
There is an Alf Garnett* constituency out there to cause the spike in recent yougov polls.
*Johnny Speight or WM said that the popularity of the character reflected the lack of irony in some of the audience.
I remember Warren Mitchell being interviewed once, he told a tale of someone coming up to him and saying he was 'doing good work on tv' i.e. speaking out against all the non-whites as it were- to which WM replied something like- 'well, actually I'm making fun of people like you'.
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handofdave
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Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 20:18
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Jim Tones wrote: Deepinder Cheema wrote: Pipsqueek heir to Adolf Hitler. My ex Lord Bishop George 'Careybear' Carey came out with this, heard on the news earlier.
There is an Alf Garnett* constituency out there to cause the spike in recent yougov polls.
*Johnny Speight or WM said that the popularity of the character reflected the lack of irony in some of the audience.
I remember Warren Mitchell being interviewed once, he told a tale of someone coming up to him and saying he was 'doing good work on tv' i.e. speaking out against all the non-whites as it were- to which WM replied something like- 'well, actually I'm making fun of people like you'.
I'm not sure that this is still the case, but for a time at least there was a similarly blockheaded bunch out there that couldn't discern that Steven Colbert is not a conservative sympathizer, he just plays one in order to lampoon them.
You can help. Send a donation today and help end the tragedy of parody obliviousness syndrome.
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Lawrence
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Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 22:31
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Of course Germany might have banned fascist parties and music, but still hasn't gotten rid of the nazi skinheads that have caused problems there.
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drewbhoy
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Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 22:43
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Or in Moscow, racially motivated murders almost happen on a daily basis carried out by neo-nazi groups.
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duckbreath
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Edited Oct 25, 2009, 23:20
Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 23:17
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I am sure there are many democrats who are racists also?? Is there any evidence for a white power/fascist movement within the Republican party? The Dems have had the most questionable relationship with the KKK and southern racists - Robert Byrd, James Fulbright, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace etc.
The recent success of the BNP has nothing to do with the UK Parliamentary system which still uses a first past the post counting like the US, but because of proportional representation within the european parliament elections.
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Lawrence
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Edited Oct 25, 2009, 23:23
Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 23:22
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Yeah alot of Republicans/conservatives point their fingers at Democrats for the party's pastt association with racist causes. Nothing new there... Although Strom Thurmond was a Republican...
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handofdave
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Re: Make the BNP a criminal organization?
Oct 25, 2009, 23:30
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duckbreath wrote: I am sure there are many democrats who are racists also?? Is there any evidence for a white power/fascist movement within the Republican party? The Dems have had the most questionable relationship with the KKK and southern racists - Robert Byrd, James Fulbright, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace etc.
That's an argument I've heard before.
Yes, in the past, Southern Democrats WERE the KKK. But when Kennedy mobilized the national guards to fight white supremacists and institute desegregation, they all fled to the Republican party, which was more than willing to welcome them.
You are talking about 40 year old history. The Democrats purged themselves of institutional racism almost half a century ago.
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