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cHARLIE 2597 posts |
Aug 05, 2009, 12:04
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Well said Sir! RocKoN*
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bladup 164 posts |
Edited Aug 05, 2009, 12:49
Aug 05, 2009, 12:45
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fucking cathlics!!! its always to do with them, just take it back a little, and it does sound like you are defending the law, grufty by name!
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grufty jim 1770 posts |
Edited Aug 05, 2009, 16:56
Aug 05, 2009, 16:41
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bladup wrote: fucking cathlics!!! its always to do with them, Who do you mean by "fucking cathlics"? The pope and his best mates? Every member of the clergy? Every church-goer? Everyone who answers "Catholic" on a census form? Everyone raised Catholic? Try to be a little more specific when you're hurling the insults. And what precisely is "always to do with them"? See I'm not sure whether you actually want to discuss this issue, or are just another troll wasting your, my and everyone else's time. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and naïvely assume that their presence on a discussion forum indicates that they are (a) interested in, and (b) capable of, intelligent discussion. Sadly there are plenty of exceptions; strange individuals who get a thrill out of writing insulting text messages to people they don't know. If you're one of them, then the sooner I find out the sooner I can stop opening your posts. If you're not one them, then try to be a little less obscure with your messages as I can't really see the point in what you've written (beyond a general statement of dislike towards Catholics). bladup wrote: and it does sound like you are defending the law Well, then either I've been unclear or you haven't comprehended my position. If it's the former, then I apologise. Let me restate my position here: Put simply, it concerns me that many of the accusations levelled at this legislation are inaccurate. There are very good coherent arguments against blasphemy laws (and I've supported, indeed expressed, some of those arguments in the past) but vacuously wailing "fucking cathlics" followed by a string of exclamation points simply detracts from those arguments. It's the adoption of an inaccurate and ill-informed dogma which -- presumably -- is one of the things you dislike about Catholicism in the first place? The word "catholic" does not merely refer to a particularly guilt-infested Christian sect. It also means "universal". It's an absolutist position, one that denies nuance, subtlety or complexity. Any such philosophy tends to get my hackles up. Indeed, the number of social policy issues which can be divided in a clearcut Good Vs. Evil is very small. Generally the world tends to be a little more complex than that. So this new law, by offering protection to all religions, is by definition actively uncatholic in the sense that it removes the universality from the Irish statute books. It accepts a multiplicity of belief systems and is surely a first step towards a more tolerant, more subtle, Irish society. I have serious misgivings about any form of blasphemy legislation and don't see this law as "A Good Thing". But to argue against something from a position of bad faith is paradoxically to argue in favour of it (through the discrediting of your stated position). Catholicism has nothing whatsoever to do with this new law. To claim that it does is either ignorance or a lie. Instead this legislation is designed to give our newly arrived minorities precisely the same protection under the law as they already receive under the Constitution. Or do you have evidence to the contrary? I'd be interested to hear if so. Simple anti-Catholic bogotry does not qualify as "evidence" incidentally. I personally believe that we should be working towards a society where -- collectively speaking -- we don't insult the beliefs and cultures of others for no other reason than to cause offence and pain. We have a word for people who do things primarily to cause pain. "Sadists". And frankly, I had enough of sadists when I was at school with the Christian Brothers. I had enough of denying the Grey Areas. Enough empty wailing of "fucking protestants" or "fucking cathlics!!!" or whatever the dogma demands. It strikes me that apeing that universalist dogmatic worldview seems like a pretty dreadful way of defying it. Over the past few months I've noticed two pieces of Islamophobic graffiti here in Dublin. And that worries me. It doesn't justify a blasphemy law but it does hint at the rise of a new shadow on the Irish soul... one perhaps just as hateful as Catholicism ever was. One that needs to be nipped in the bud. The law certainly should not prevent people expressing concerns about a religion like Islam that contradicts much of the values of the liberal West (or at least those values we aspire to) but nor should we sit idly by while a bunch of racists use that as an excuse to victimise a minority. This law is a cack-handed attempt to offer Irish minorities the same protection as the majority already enjoys. Criticise it for it's cack-handedness certainly, but don't just yell "fucking cathlics". It's ignorant and counter-productive. bladup wrote: grufty by name! "Grufty" is an archaic word meaning "bearded, as like a goat". I'm assuming though, that your line was an attempt at a barbed insult based upon a belief that "grufty" meant the same thing as "gruff"? Yes? Well, a word of advice; using a self-applied nickname is rarely a good way to insult a person.
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bladup 164 posts |
Aug 12, 2009, 12:02
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my hatred of catholics [the religious kind] is all about paedophiles and all the bollocks about forgiving of sins, its just open arms to those people [please come to us and we will forgive you], over here in the east of england it always seems that when a child is abused the person commiting the crime is catholic or something to do with catholicism, granted over where you are it must harder to see, but i really doubt that. Its not that i'm saying all catholics are nonces but as a religion it really is a magnet for them {as i'm sure you well know}, so there you go my hatred is really aimed at those monsters, as soon as they hurt our children they should be killed and wiped from the gene pool. ps was just fucking about with your name ,i wasn't trying to piss you off, i'm sure you have a very nice beard.
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buzfuz 82 posts |
Aug 17, 2009, 17:40
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excellent reply grufty is this guy terry butcher in disguise? joseph michael murphy xx
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Runic Sunnyview 41 posts |
Oct 06, 2009, 09:28
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Cheema Deepinder wrote: Another blow for this backward peasant society. They all have the automatic right to settle in the UK if they want to be free of the peculiar Irish version of the Catholic church. God, what a know-it-all response. All comes from being a "University Challenge" swot I suppose. Or just a plain bigot. The latter. Helped by the former. Wanker.
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Jim Tones 5142 posts |
Oct 06, 2009, 11:26
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grufty jim wrote: However when I hear a person recommend the UK as some beacon of enlightenment in comparison... the UK, whose colonial past casts just as dark a shadow as Catholicism ever cast on the Irish. Whose colonial past it was that drove Ireland into the clutches of the church in the first place. A nation that possesses the only hereditary governing chamber in the world. A nation whose people are still subjects of a monarch as opposed to citizens! ...and it's not a nice feeling.... Believe me Mr. Jim, the English Government or should I say, the higher positions of the Grand Masonic Lodge of England (the real governers), don't even like their close neighbours, who happen to be descendants of the people who were living on the Isles before the germanic folk came over... although lame apologies do come out from time to time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4789372.stm
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Jim Tones 5142 posts |
Oct 06, 2009, 15:00
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Stevo wrote: I know that tshirts of similar innocuity have got people arrested in the UK in the past, or at least heard stories of such. Especially during the punk era. Not exactly during the punk era and I wasn't exactly arrested, but in 1980 I was wearing a Malcolm Garrett-designed Throbbing Gristle T-Shirt, this had the words 'Teaching God A Thing Or Two' printed as part of the design, I was asked to leave the place where I was admiring some artwork..........there again it was in Chester Cathedral =8-I
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Oct 18, 2009, 16:40
Oct 18, 2009, 16:38
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Holy Mary Mother of Jesus God Bless And Save Us! It's about time as well. Those ungodly Heathen feckers. Father Jack, the first Priest in Ireland to denounce The Beatles. He knew what they were up to ! ( from a Proud Recovering Collapsed Irish Catholic Tree Hugging Stone Fiend ).
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